Dialogue between Douglas and a Robert Sungnis:

Mr. Douglass: Dear JJG, Since you are not familiar with Sungenis' charges against Schoeman, I will briefly bring you up to speed: Schoeman exercises an anti-Christ, anti-Christian, and anti-Catholic influence over the Church, he is a Jewish racist, and he is purveying one of the most pernicious and nefarious heresies the Church has ever faced.

R. Sungenis: Yes, that’s right. Anyone who says the Old Covenant is not revoked, and by that means not that the Old Testament Scriptures are still a part of the Bible, but that God has some special covenant, whether the Mosaic covenant or some other kind of covenant that is not the New Covenant, with the Jews alone (as is taught by Roy Schoeman, the USCCB catechism, page 131, and other such people, such as Jacob Michael, Mark Shea and David Palm) is preaching heresy, and it is certainly a pernicious and nefarious one at that. There is only one covenant today in operation, and that is the New Covenant in Jesus Christ. All peoples, Jew or Gentile, receive salvation only in the New Covenant and there is no other covenant attached to it or that presently exists.

Mr. Douglass: I worked closely with Sungenis for about 3 years, have argued with him extensively from the inside, and since February have argued with him extensively in public.

R. Sungenis: Yes, that’s right. Mr. Douglass likes to argue. Unfortunately, his present arguments are clouded by the constant pressure that was put on him by the Jewish ideologues that are presently dominating the landscape of Catholicism.

Mr. Douglass: The charge of anti-Semitism is more than justified. Anti-Semitism is prejudice against Jews, and Sungenis has pre-judged the Jews.

R. Sungenis: Sorry, Mr. Douglass. Making up your own definitions of anti-semitism is another form of bigotry and racism, and it is also a breaking of the Eighth Commandment. Anti-semitism has been traditionally defined as hatred of the Jewish race. Mr. Douglass has already admitted to me and many others that I don’t hate the

Mr. Douglass: He readily, eagerly, and promiscuously gloms onto and regurgitates salacious things he finds on the internet and in print against Jews, without taking the least amount of care to verify them.

R. Sungenis: Mr. Douglass knows that there have only been a few occasions when I either got a source wrong or made a mistake about some news item. Like newspapers that print things that are not always correct, I have made apologies and retractions for anything I have gotten wrong, and will continue to do so. But Mr. Douglass is an extremist and a slanderer. He will take any error and blow it up out of proportion, and then try to give everyone the impression that I just sit at my keyboard everyday just thinking up "promiscuous and salacious" things about the Jews. That is another infraction of the Eighth Commandment against Mr. Douglass, because it is simply not true. Unfortunately, when it comes to the Jews, people like Mr. Douglass often get irrational, because they expect everyone to walk in lock step to what they would like to see concerning the Jews – no criticism, or in Mr. Douglass’ case, only criticism that he approves of first.

Mr. Douglass: Repeatedly, he has done this without so much as reading the whole article he is copy-pasting, and in some cases, without even knowing who wrote the thing (oops, was that a Nazi propaganda tract that I just passed off as my own words?).

R. Sungenis: Mr. Douglass’ slanderous reference to a "Nazi propaganda tract" shows what he is all about. He is about giving impressions to people – bad impressions. He is an expert at demagoguery. He treasures it when he can get people upset and riled up through anti-semitic images that he knows they will be horrified by. The truth is, I have utterly and consistently denounced the Nazis, Nazism and anything to do with anti-semitism, but since Mr. Douglass is in this to win the war of impressions, he thinks nothing of digging up a six year old accusation that Bill Cork (who has since apostasized from the Catholic Church) accused me of deliberately citing. Mr. Douglass knows the accusation isn’t true since he was the one who told me months ago that it came from a Calvin College website, not a Nazi website.

Mr. Douglass: When someone opposes Sungenis, he asks them whether they are Jewish, proclaims his suspicions about their Jewish ancestry, and accuses them of having a Jewish racial agenda.

R. Sungenis: That sounds bad, doesn’t it? That’s right, because that is exactly Mr. Douglass’ intention. He wants you to think that I seek out Jewish people so that I can criticize them. That makes for good fodder on web blogs for people who read them without knowing what the real truth is. The truth is this: I have asked only three people, Mr. Douglass, Mr. Michael and Mr. Forrest, if they are Jewish. The reason? Because I found that most of my major critics were Jewish or were married to Jews. Imagine that. So the logical question to ask these three gentlemen, who are my most vociferous and prolific critics, is if they are Jewish. So far, Mr. Michael and Mr. Forrest have refused to answer the question, and I’m not even sure Mr. Douglass is telling me the truth, because he lies about so many other things, as you can see from this present rant he just posted.

Mr. Douglass: This is particularly absurd when it is directed at me, who am an anti-Semite by many people's standards.

R. Sungenis: The only thing that is absurd is that Mr. Douglass has enough pride and hubris within his personality that he thinks he can change the definition of anti-semitism just so that he can label me, yet at the same time he exonerates himself with an altogether different definition of anti-semitism! This is the world of the wax nose that Mr. Douglass lives in. Just mold the circumstances any way that is convenient for the moment.

Mr. Douglass: Sungenis' behavior is reprehensible, and the blog is entirely justified. There is a tremendous potential for Catholics to be scandalized and possibly ensnared by Sungenis' anti-Jewish writings

R. Sungenis: So notice what Mr. Douglass is actually against. He finally told the truth. He’s against "anti-Jewish writings"! There you have it, ladies and gentlemen. Don’t speak negatively about the Jews. You can speak negatively about Palestinians, Muslims, Protestant, Democrats, James White, Cardinal Law, Bill Clinton or Madonna, or just about anyone that suits your fancy, but not against the Jews. The only scandal here is that we have someone who purports to be a Catholic telling us that no "anti-Jewish writings" are allowed when, in fact, the whole history of the Catholic Church is filled with "anti-Jewish writings," from the Fathers, to saints, to popes, to even Jesus and Paul themselves. And yes, people like Mr. Douglass are "scandalized" by that part of Catholicism, and that is precisely the ploy the Jews have used today to scare Catholics into submission to their will.

Mr. Douglass: and slanders against fellow Catholics (Jewish converts and otherwise). Reason is a good antidote.

R. Sungenis: Slander against fellow Catholics, Jewish converts? No, this is just another case of Mr. Douglass moving the goal posts to suit his own agenda. To Mr. Douglass, asserting that Mr. Schoeman is fomenting Jewish racism by his comment that the Jews are "blessed by nature…despite their lack of faith" or that the Jews have a "special charism" above Gentile believers, or that God is helping the nation of Israel today to defeat the Arabs who Mr. Schoeman says are from the bastard "seed of Ishmael" and are the world’s troublemakers (which even Mr. Douglass pointed out as a major problem in Schoeman’s book), this is all just "slander" against Mr. Schoeman rather than calling it what it really is – Mr. Schoeman’s camouflaged Jewish racism. From this you can see that Mr. Douglass doesn’t know what he’s talking about. He is such an ideologue for the Jewish people he can’t see heresy and racism when it stares him in the face. Again, please read the 14 problems with Mr. Schoeman’s book on my website www.catholicintl.com/book-recommendation/14.pdf. Mr. Douglass: Lastly, I apologize for Sungenis' poor witness. It will take a geocentric saint for Catholics in large numbers to start taking geocentrism seriously again. Ben Douglass Homepage 06.25.07 - 9:01 pm #

R. Sungenis: And I apologize for Mr. Douglass’ poor understanding of the Catholic faith. If he doesn’t have the courage to call Mr. Schoeman’s errors what they really are, especially in the face of the fact that Mr. Schoeman refuses to either explain himself or admit that he has made any errors in his book, then I am ashamed to have to deal with people like Mr. Douglass who purports to be a Catholic apologist but finds himself being more of an apologist for Jews and Judaism than he does for the Catholic Church and Catholic doctrine. As I have said before, today, like never before, we are being infiltrated by a Judaized Catholicism, complete with ready-made Jewish apologists to make the clarion call of "anti-semitism" (complete with their own invented definitions of the accusation) in order to scare everyone into submission. Rest assured, Robert Sungenis, will not bow to their tactics. I will be there to fight them, come hell or high water, as I have been for the last six years.